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Hey there, I am looking to add some lights to my set. I know R3 doesn't support dmx right now. I am wondering if anybody has a recommendation on a set of lights and how to control them? Ideally it would be in conjunction with R3 and maybe Ableton. Ideally the lights would be midi controllable. I own Max 5 but am not a programmer. I definitely want to be able to tempo sync the lights to hit on downbeats. Any thoughts? Thanks.

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use a midi to dmx convertor and trigger them from ableton?

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That sounds good. Do you know any good converters in particular? Or lights that work well in this setup?

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Hi!

I've played with DMX some time ago. Those days I wanted do have some kind of Ambilight, implemented with midi to dmx, a usb dmx converter and a few LED PARs. However, have you heard of this? - Enttec - DMXIS http://www.enttec.com/index.php?main_me ... name=dmxis

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Yes that plugin looks very usefull, we have been in contact with them. The only problem now is that r3 does not support VST instruments and we don't send the tempo yet to the VST plugins, so at the moment it can't be used in our software.

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An idea for you--

Perhaps you could run this VST in Ableton, and then sync the Ableton controls to Resolume through MIDI Yoke. For example, if you have a red video and you want red lights, have the VST send MIDI information from Ableton to Resolume through the MIDI Yoke. Turn up the track in Ableton and it should bring up both the lights and the video.

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I think DMXIS is definitely the way to go for me. Now I am in the predicament of finding out which lights I want to get and also finding lights that won't take away from the projector's visability. Anybody know any good lights that work with DMXIS, or good vendors/ideas? My budget is hopefully less that 1000$ including DMXIS which is 260, so around 750$ for lights. Thanks

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edwin wrote:The only problem now is that r3 does not support VST instruments and we don't send the tempo yet to the VST plugins, so at the moment it can't be used in our software.
DMXIS is a regular VST effect (not an instrument) so it actually does open in Resolume. And although the tempo isn't transmitted from Resolume to the plugin, you can manually set the DMXIS tempo to match that of Resolume. However...
willcopps wrote:Perhaps you could run this VST in Ableton, and then sync the Ableton controls to Resolume through MIDI Yoke
...this might be quite a nice solution. But how would you sync Ableton tempo changes to Resolume? (I know Ableton well, but am a Resolume beginner!)
sburke1 wrote:I am in the predicament of finding out which lights I want to get and also finding lights that won't take away from the projector's visability. Anybody know any good lights that work with DMXIS, or good vendors/ideas?
It's difficult to make suggestions without knowing what types & sizes of venues you play, and what your current setup looks like. If you can describe your current setup, I can throw a few ideas in. Biggest question is this - what's your goal in adding lights? To illuminate yourself, the audience, or both? Or just to add some special FX to enhance the video?

In the meantime, you might find this useful...

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho ... ?t=2269799

It's a guide to band lighting written by Steven Kosiba, a key contributor to the lighting forum over at Harmony Central. Although slightly biased towards readers in the USA, it's a very good general introduction to DMX lighting. Well worth a read before you venture towards your local DJ supplier with cash in your pocket!

Cheers,
Dave (the designer of DMXIS)

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Hello, thanks for the input. I will definitely always have ableton running and attempt to have ableton as the master clock so I am not worried about running DMXIS in R3. I am hoping that steady sync between r3 and live will happen so dmxis in ableton will be fine.

My goal is to highlight the beats of the songs I play mostly. I havent thought about it too much but I guess I am aiming to light the band more than the crowd. I am playing small to medium sized clubs. My set up is now with a drummer, two ableton djs, one r3 VJ, synths, midi controllers.
I just went to guitar center and was recomended to get 1 color pallete and 2 technostrobes, I could be confused about the names , but I think they were DJ scan 250, and LEDXscan, i forget which was which. . Any thoughts? Thanks alot.

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sburke1 wrote:I just went to guitar center and was recomended to get 1 color pallete and 2 technostrobes, I could be confused about the names , but I think they were DJ scan 250, and LEDXscan, i forget which was which. . Any thoughts? Thanks alot.
Well, the Colorpalette and Technostrobe are very similar fixed lights, and the DJ Scan 250 and LED X-Scan are moving lights. Before talking to sales staff about specific lights, have a really good think about what TYPE of lighting you want. The basic categories available are:

1) Static lighting, such as LED parcans and panels fire out a variety of colours, but they don't move. When controlled from DMX, you can create multi coloured chases, static colour scenes, and strobe effects that are beatmatched to your music.

2) Movers, such as scanners and moving heads. These fire a single beam with a specific shaper (gobo) and colour, and they move about. One mover looks daft, you generally need 2 or 4 to create a show. They work out more expensive than static lighting, but when programmed from DMX, can create impressive dynamic looks. I suspect these are outside of your $1000 budget.

3) Special FX, such as moonflowers. These "spin & puke" lights are popular for club installs & mobile DJs, not used so much for band lighting. Although a slowly rotating moonflower (like the centre light in this video) fired upwards from the floor through some haze does look very cool, if used sparingly.

I've used Chauvet products as examples here, other popular manufacturers you might consider are American DJ & Irradiant. As I'm not based in the US, I can't give you specific advice on models available to you. I highly recommend you head over to the Harmony Central forum, and ask those guys for advice on specific lights - they are a friendly bunch, and will be happy to help you design a rig that meets your needs.

Steven's guide (link in my previous post) has a more in-depth description of the types of lights available. I know there's a LOT of information to digest here, and it's always tempting to just go to your local store and buy whatever the salesperson recommends. But you might end up wasting your money on something that really doesn't suit your needs.

(Obviously, there are also DMX lasers, but I can't offer any advice there as lasers are a specialist topic, and from what I understand are a legal and health & safety minefield, especially in the US)

Another couple of important questions to answer before you buy anything. Will you need a smoke/haze machine? Without haze, you won't see beams in the air, and most scanners, moving head & fx lights really need haze to look good.

Finally, do you want to go with LED technology? Most bands & DJs are buying exclusively LED equipment these days. Traditional halogen lights are hot, need lots of power to run, and need lamps replacing regularly. LED lights are far more convenient to own & run. The downside is that dollar for dollar, LED lights (at this point in time) are not as bright as traditional lamped lights.

Dave.

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