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How To code ALPHA channel in your Video-Editing sofware
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 22:48
by Ruud
What about, editing video, cut out the subject/object where it is all about and leave the background ALPHA instead of black white or so on...
That would be great in Resolume, because the A At Da Li modes can never be of such good quality as an alpha channel inside your video sample. (like .png in picture files)
Question is:
Which video codec is best capable to handle alpha channel, and is also capable for live performance!
I have done some research,
-I suppose quicktime .mov can include alpha layer, not sure about that!
-Ligos Indeo 5.11 has an Alpha channel option when coding
-there is something like the Animation codec :S dunno what that is but it says it has huge amounts of data rates
-Targa sequence, even bigger filesizes
2nd Question,
How to change a black or white background (blue green or whatever) in to an alpha layer with 0% opacity!!!
Am I in the right direction? Can anyone help me out, thanks!
CheerS!

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:39
by bart
we have done some tests with aftereffects but it seems impossible to render an avi with an alpha channel with the indeo 5.1 codec. It is possible when rendering a quicktime with the indeo codec bet the alpha channel that is rendered seems to be only 1 bit. (so either transparant or not and nothing in between.
if anyone finds a sollution to render video,s with a propper codec with a normal alpa channel we will build-in support for it in resolume.
;-D
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:06
by levon
ill have a play round, and see if i can find anything that can.
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:18
by Anonymous
very intresting if it would be possible! I'm gonna do some testing with the above listed codecs too,
every night i dream about alpha channels

;)
that would be just wonderful, great! I was reading on vjforums that says some other VJ software would be able to handle alpha layers, in combination with raid-0 drivers and big uncompressed video samples 32 bit targa for example and 20 x amount of filesize/datarate.
bart> q:"It is possible when rendering a quicktime with the indeo codec but the alpha channel that is rendered seems to be only 1 bit. "
ok so it is only 1 bit, can't you make resolume handle the alpha 0% or 100% so there is a possibility to make video samples semi-trasparant?
cheers
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:31
by Anonymous
I love Alpha
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:33
by Ruud
I'm sorry forgot to login, above 2 posts are not Anonymous anymore.
I figured out there are many was to implant Alpha channels in non Alpha-channel footage. Still dreaming!
bye for now
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 14:55
by levon
i found quicktime TGA keeps the alpha inside the movie, and it actualy already works in resolume, but only using it as a 1bit channel.
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 19:06
by Ruud
As I'm reading about Alpha channels,
8 bit Alpha channel should be enough, because it can have 256 different vallues of 'greys'.
This links tells a little about Alpha channels and the difference between 1bit and 8bit.
Maybe not new to you guys, but it is new to me.
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/re ... ency.shtml
So let's see if there's an codec that can include an 8 bit alpha channel and is suitable for resolume too! I'm really enthousiast about this new stuff because in my opinion it opens loads of possibility's when preparing footage!
Cheers
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 19:09
by Ruud
guess i found something 8 bit!!
FRWA Forward Motion JPEG with alpha channel SoftLab-Nsk A version of motion JPEG as used in the Forward project from SoftLab-Nsk. This format also includes an 8-bit alpha channel per image.
And maybe even better!!!
http://www.bitjazz.com/ // Special Codec for Visaul Jockeys!
Cheers!
[Edited on 24-2-2005 by Ruud]
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 01:48
by levon
what i ment by
i found quicktime TGA keeps the alpha inside the movie, and it actualy already works in resolume, but only using it as a 1bit channel.
is that it only suports 1 bit in resolume atm, the format does suport an 8bit alpha channel.