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I am curious about just how many people, if any, would be interested in using SMPTE ST 2110 protocol for I/O on a regular basis if it was supported in Arena. The benefits of video/audio/PTP sync across a single cable is appealing to me.

My team and I are looking to do an infrastructure upgrade for our video system, and that would likely include an entire new broadcast switcher and router. If we are replacing our midsize Ross router/switcher, it really starts to make financial sense for us to move to a 2110 architecture to set us up for the future (moving to 4k, flexibility across our large campus, etc).

Sure, it's not a massive problem to run ST 2110 through an SDI converter and then into a capture card on my Arena PC, but it would sure be nice to have the new video over IP protocol with native support. Buying a 10Gb or even 25Gb network card seems a lot more simple than adding converters and/or making a bunch of dedicated 12G SDI runs from the media server to the video broadcast rack.

Just curious to see what you all think. Devs, have you considered this?

Not just no... FUCK no!
Who has the infrastructure for that... no one. (I work in a few multi-million dollar broadcast studio's throughout the year and we ALL are hard passing on this one!)
There needs to be a solution out there (NDI maybe in a few years, or another SMPTE standard) but SMPTE 2110 is NOT what we need as an industry.

Arvol wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 17:55 Not just no... FUCK no!
Who has the infrastructure for that... no one. (I work in a few multi-million dollar broadcast studio's throughout the year and we ALL are hard passing on this one!)
There needs to be a solution out there (NDI maybe in a few years, or another SMPTE standard) but SMPTE 2110 is NOT what we need as an industry.

I've seen you around in these forums and I know you've got lots of experience. Help me understand what the downfalls are here outside of upfront cost for adopting the new standard.

For starters you will need a 25GbE connection PER UHD stream. So laptops are now out of the question. Most touring media servers have 2.5Gbe connections at best 10Gbe is you're super lucky. So now you have to run fiber to your media server. It's just a realistic protocol anyone would ever want to or is even capable of adapting. There are a LOT of other better solutions out there.
Not to mention 2110 is a half assed release.

I'm not advocating this site, but there is a lot of useful info on it. (Take it with a grain of salt, as there's always more than 1 perspective, but in general...i agree.) but check out the stop2110 site for a very detailed explanation of what this broadcast engineers studio went though while considering 2110. Don't know the person from the site but there are a LOT of good talking point in there.

Arvol wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 14:57 check out the stop2110 site for a very detailed explanation of what this broadcast engineers studio went though while considering 2110. Don't know the person from the site but there are a LOT of good talking point in there.

I looked into this and can totally see where you're coming from. The amount of data bandwidth required is certainly a challenge for most people right now. I'm not sold on 2110 as a perfect solution either, but I can't help but think that video over IP will become the new standard in the coming years. You make a great point about NDI though - that may be a valid alternative as the system develops.

I know a handful of venues and broadcast studios have made the switch, but time will tell if this will be the standard going forward or not. Either way, SDI and video over fiber won't be going away any time soon.

Thanks for your input.

Yeah, SDI will be the standard for at least 5 more years, most likely 10. From the studio's I've worked in and tech's I've spoken with.

NDI is getting there, close, but not stable enough for a studio IMO. For a small production and tour, sure.