Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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dwastian
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Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Hi,

I would appreciate getting some help on my problem with live feed in Resolume Arena 5. My setup looks like:
1 surveilance camera JVC, connected to Pinnacle USB capture card via composite cable (yellow video chinch cable), the capture card via USB to my computer. In Arena I get the live feed, it's not quite big (625 lines, PAL B, 720x576), but it's clear, nice colors, contrast, etc. When I output that live feed to my projector, the image gets very very bad - washed out colors, no contrast, whites are all lit up, there is no quality either in that image shown on the screen. I use a Casio XJ-H1700 projector, different projection screens (over the years), VGA connection from computer to projector. All other feeds from Arena are great quality and no problems at all. I tried changing the cameras, cables - no change at all. I tried recently the same setup, using a LCD monitor instead of the projector - I set the same resolution (1280 x 780) and the image is top quality (as good as it can be from such like a source :)). I understand, that if I oversize the live feed (to that given resolution of my projector 1280x780) the image quality will drop, but it's very poor even if I leave the size of the output as original (720x576). Let me tell once again, that all other clips I output to that screen via the projector are throughout clear and very good quality. Am I missing something or am I doing something wrong? Where to look for a solution? Thank you in advance!

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Dean

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Can you take a couple of screenshots to highlight your problem? Can’t think what it would be, but a picture tells a thousand words etc...

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Hi,
Yes. Bekow is a link to both pictures - one with the live feed and the other with a still clip. Both were taken at about the same time. Hope this can somehow help further.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2BgQMld0v3AiJphr2

Br, Dean

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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To me it looks like the lighting washes out your projected picture.
In the first image there is no lighting on the stage, in the second there is quite much.

Do you have the projector zoomed in all the way to the screen?
A 4k lumens projector is not much with lighting, especially if only a small percentage of the projection covers your screen.
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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Hi,
No, the lights are not the problem. This picture may seem like lighting washed out the image, but the image looks same at no lighting at all. It's true, only 4k lumens are not quite a lot for a setup like that, but I'm well planning my projections and give an eye to the lighting scenarios also.
I don't quite understand what is going on, because I don't know that much about these things. I assume it has something to do with maybe some compression or something. I use the Pinnacle USB capture card, which in fact is quite old. I tried the live feed from my integrated laptop camera and the image is much much better-real colors, good quality, sharpness, etc. So it can't be the projector itself (also not cables, connections...). Is it possible, that my pal signal gets somehow cut off in any way and it gets that bad out of Resolume to the projector? There are almost no settings for the live feed source (deinterlace, some video standards...), but I'm not sure where to start... the preview of the live feed in Arena looks quite good.
And no, the projector is not zoomed in - the lens are full zoomed out, beacuse I have the projector on rails and I am moving it around to get the right angle and distance from the screen. Also in addition - I got this bad quality live feed on a 4m projection and also on a 7 or 8m projection distance. This last projection was on a disrance about 3,7m from the screen, real projection material and the live feeds look the same as the last time I projected from about 8m to a much more bigger screen.

Dean

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Could you post a screenshot of your advanced output's Output Transformation tab preferably with the camera output showing with all the usual lights on the stage?
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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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I could make a screenshot of my output settings and advanced ouput transformation. I could even connect the live camera, but to take a screenshot of the definite output on screen it's not an option. Next setup I'll be doing will be in june - in the meantime I don't think I'll have an oportunity to set up the projector and the screen. What part of the advanced output would help? Output transformation tab? I just set the corners of my outputed image on 1 slice which is inputed by composition.

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Yes, I meant only the output transformation with your camera playing, so we can see how the output slice is sent to your projector, and see if the camera picture is looking odd at that stage.
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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Ok, I can do that, but in a few weeks, no earlier. And no, in the advanced output window, in the preview monitor and in the output monitor the picture is ok. One thing left I think is to try with another capture card maybe.

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Re: Resolume Arena + live feed problem

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Look, I luckyli found one picture, that could maybe be close to what you meant. On the right, there I have a preview monitor for the cameras and in front diwn there the projected screen.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YpXWAYZVtOaVLQ7i1

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