Hello fellow VJ's
I am new to Resolume (R3) and am trying to sync R3 to live with a macbook pro. This would be ideal for my band's live shows, because I use Ableton, sending a metronome to my drummer and playing sequences from live.
I have a 2.6ghz MBP on leopard. Live 7. Resolume 3.
IN live- I have sync enabled on the output of IAC port 1.
In R3. I have IAC bus 1 driver enabled.
I see the midi clock indicator lighting up in R3 and when i change BPM in Live, R3 changes also.
However, the problem is that R3's tempo wavers up and down, occasionally jumping 1-3 BPM lower or higher. In turn my clips start wavering in pitch and sounding horrible and the clocks lose sync.
I tried switching the midi sync in Live to pattern mode but that did not help.
Does anyone have any tips for making this work?
Or is this not steady right now in R3beta? I have seen some posts about the Redsound Soundbite Micro and I am not against buying a dedicated midi clock generator if that would be a way to get STEADY clock between live and R3.
Thanks alot in advance.
syncing R3 to Live, shaky clock?
Re: syncing R3 to Live, shaky clock?
so someone on the ableton forum wrote this....
You can definitely sync Arkaos and Resolume with Live using midi clock. Check the Live manual about how to enable Live as the master, then connect the computers with a midi cable.
I will try this soon. I thought it had to be ethernet sync but this guy says midi. Any thoughts on this?
You can definitely sync Arkaos and Resolume with Live using midi clock. Check the Live manual about how to enable Live as the master, then connect the computers with a midi cable.
I will try this soon. I thought it had to be ethernet sync but this guy says midi. Any thoughts on this?
Re: syncing R3 to Live, shaky clock?
I have the same problem it's most noticeable when looping clips very quickly, say at 2 frames, I do this to create "Snare Rolls" The technical term for this problem is "Midi Jitter" and it's the fault of your sound card believe it of not.
It manifests itself as uneven latency for example if your sending a stream of midi notes externally or internally between two apps all of the notes will have a very small latency, this latency would be easy enough to deal with but for the fact that it's not constant, hence we have what's known as "midi jitter" The resulting latency on a stream of midi notes is such that one note might have 4 ms latency, the note after it may have 7 ms latency the note after that may have 3 ms latency and so on, like wise with a master tempo sunc, you will see this latency appear as slight fluctuation in BPM. This is one of the reasons it's so vital that a future Version of Res3 should have it's own built in sequencer.
The solution is complex and I won't pretend to have solved this problem, but it does in fact have nothing to do with either of the apps and is actually caused by your sound card and drivers, they are the components of your system that handle your midi. You can buy sound cards that have very low midi jitter but as far as I know none of them can eliminate it completely. pro studios often use a master clock which is extreemly accurate, I'm afraid I have never used one so I can't recommend any.
I would suggest not syncing the two apps together via a master tempo and contacting a pro audio sound card distributor and asking them if they have any sound cards that are stable enough to eliminate midi jitter, I doubt they'll know of any and may even falsely try to sell you a card that has "Low" Latency so be careful and research it on the net before buying.
There are some other "Workarounds" these involve un-installing all of the background applications on your PC for example your anti virus, your instant messengers etc this will help but not enough to remove the jitter completely.
Regards ni-cad
It manifests itself as uneven latency for example if your sending a stream of midi notes externally or internally between two apps all of the notes will have a very small latency, this latency would be easy enough to deal with but for the fact that it's not constant, hence we have what's known as "midi jitter" The resulting latency on a stream of midi notes is such that one note might have 4 ms latency, the note after it may have 7 ms latency the note after that may have 3 ms latency and so on, like wise with a master tempo sunc, you will see this latency appear as slight fluctuation in BPM. This is one of the reasons it's so vital that a future Version of Res3 should have it's own built in sequencer.
The solution is complex and I won't pretend to have solved this problem, but it does in fact have nothing to do with either of the apps and is actually caused by your sound card and drivers, they are the components of your system that handle your midi. You can buy sound cards that have very low midi jitter but as far as I know none of them can eliminate it completely. pro studios often use a master clock which is extreemly accurate, I'm afraid I have never used one so I can't recommend any.
I would suggest not syncing the two apps together via a master tempo and contacting a pro audio sound card distributor and asking them if they have any sound cards that are stable enough to eliminate midi jitter, I doubt they'll know of any and may even falsely try to sell you a card that has "Low" Latency so be careful and research it on the net before buying.
There are some other "Workarounds" these involve un-installing all of the background applications on your PC for example your anti virus, your instant messengers etc this will help but not enough to remove the jitter completely.
Regards ni-cad
Re: syncing R3 to Live, shaky clock?
Thanks for the reply. To clarify, I still haven't been able to test the midi cable sync option. So far I've only tested the IAC bus sync option via ethernet cable. I also didn't know how to set up the IPmidi ethernet cable option but I've heard this works better than IAC. I private messages the person who said this works but have not heard back.
I have a "low latency" Presonus Firestudio Project. However, when I tested with the ethernet cable, IAC bus sync option on my mac, I was not using any interface at all, simply using core audio driver.
I expect to get the shaky clock even when I try to midi cable option. I will try it soon and assuming it even works, I will determine if the midi latency is worst over an ethernet cable or a midi cable. I also assume getting a dedicated SYNC device will be out of my price range.
I have a "low latency" Presonus Firestudio Project. However, when I tested with the ethernet cable, IAC bus sync option on my mac, I was not using any interface at all, simply using core audio driver.
I expect to get the shaky clock even when I try to midi cable option. I will try it soon and assuming it even works, I will determine if the midi latency is worst over an ethernet cable or a midi cable. I also assume getting a dedicated SYNC device will be out of my price range.