APC20 QUESTIONS - ALFALEADER - COZER - SUBVERT

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PISMODRIFTER
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APC20 QUESTIONS - ALFALEADER - COZER - SUBVERT

Post by PISMODRIFTER »

First off.. sorry for calling you guys out in the title.. but I feel one of you three can help me here, and already have immensely with your previous tutorials THANK YOU!!! So after many nights of reading info from vjactionhero.com, vjcozer.com, subvert and alfaleader in this forum. I feel I have wrapped by head around the midi lighting coding. I have checked out everyone's templates that i can find and pieced together my own lil dream setup for resolume arena 4 and IRmapio. i plan on doing a multiple display 3d projection.
http://vimeo.com/21859506
you can see you have the ability to have different layers cover different portions of your physical display piece.
that is one of the reasons why i would prefer to have more layers than columns or clips per layer.
in the video he uses 4 "input areas" im planning on 5 with 3 of thos being doubled and mirrored and spread over 10 layers in resolume and projected onto 8 individual surfaces.

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so something like...
layer 1 input 1
layer 2 input 2
layer 3 input 3
layer 4 input 4
layer 5 input 5
layer 6 input 1,3,5
layer 7 input 2,4
layer 8 input all warped to design A
layer 9 input all warped to design B
layer 10 input all warped to design C

with my ideal APC20 layout something like this if my shift theory works! A little bit of everything i have seen so far and using the "cozer" style fader lights of course!!! ;)
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so patch 1 would look like this
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and when i press the shift button to activate patch 2 hopefully the only thing that is changed would be
1. clips launch area now amber instead of red with and launching layer 6-10
2. kill layer buttons would shift to kill layers 6-10 from 1-5
3. columns 1-8 would change from amber to red and now change decks 1-8
4. faders 1-5 controlling layers 1-5 opacity would now control layers 6-10
5. fader 9 would shift from composition speed to hopefully bpm control
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which bring me to my questions.
1. i read about a "shift button" ability thru using a dual patch, is it possible to copy patch 1 and only modify the desired effect coding so the only parts changing are your wanted options being saved to patch 2?
2. has anyone done a tap button?
3. BPM on a fader? or composition speed on a fader??
4. Does this have a chance in hell of working for me? =)

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!

coz3r
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Post by coz3r »

hmmmmm lol... Well I have seen some pretty cool 'multi patch' operations on the web... And I've heard of the possibility of a shift button, but that I havent actually seen one in action.... So I wont be much help until I get some time to play with multiple patches myself. I know shifting the color of the lights would be easy... You could do a variation of the 'light activator' buttons I did on my board. That being said, I have no idea how you would get the buttons to 'shift' for resolume though since you would have to get them to output a completely different midi note.

Maybe someone else can shed some more light on the subject. I'll have to dabble before I have a good answer heh:)

.::Cozer::.

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alfaleader wrote:I have a small tutorial for bomes with the apc20 (I think it's in the apc40 post in the hardware forum, or just search on vjforums).

You could make 2 different presets in bomes (1 is "scene 1" and the second "scene 2").
When you press the shift button while in scene 1, scene 2 gets activated and scene 1 gets deactivated.
Then in preset 1, the midi messages from the apc20 are untouched. In scene 2 they are converted.

Btw, Resolume 3 doesn't have midi feedback, so multiple scenes will get very confusing!
The link he refers to ---> http://vjforums.com/showthread.php?t=35 ... ight=bomes
So I know you can create 2 "patches" and theoretically "shift" I guess i want to know more about them being "converted"???
Have you messed with setting a fader to BPM or composition speed at all?
Or messed around with a BPM tap button?

Thanks in advance!!!

alfaleader
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Post by alfaleader »

The switching between 2 banks (or something else) is done like this:

You have in bomes different "presets" you can see in the left collumn. So you make a preset for your first bank and one for your second page.
You put your commands you want in each preset.

Now you only want one active and the other inactive. There is a function in bomes that can activate a preset, and one to deactivate a preset. So you map a midi button to activating the other preset, and the same midi button action for the deactivation the current preset.
Btw, here is my apc20 processing program: http://vjforums.com/showthread.php?t=37 ... processing . The source code is also included, and it's much harder to understand but if you do you can make some amazing stuff (and it will learn you basic programming skills, and that's always good to know).

Also watch out, because resolume can't use the row with the play/stop/record/... buttons. The BPM is done with the bpm tap, don't use a fader for BPM speed :)
If you want to use res4 with bomes and would like to keep the midi feedback, things will get very difficult and I recommend processing!

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Post by PISMODRIFTER »

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH ALFALEADER AND COZER!!!!!

Alfaleader "Also watch out, because resolume can't use the row with the play/stop/record/... buttons." Did you mean resolume won't allow you to MIDI command those functions or that the APC won't allow them to be programmed? I found a couple of different setup's for that bank of button's and a few that use the functions, but i would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or tricks either of you could give me!!! =)

Olivepixel was running the bank for layer selection and using the functions (well.. just forward reverse and pause) above the crossfader --> download/file.php?id=723
Cozer has his forward, reverse, pause, and random in the clip launch bank and has his set up "stock" I believe so he can have 8 banks with 8 knobs + master for 72 knobs total --> http://vjcozer.com/images/midimaps2.png

But I still have not found anyone controlling the loop, bounce or other playback modes yet... I assume this is because those are layer specific commands and not for the whole composition??? Or am I looking at this all wrong and those (being forward, reverse, pause, and random) commands are only available in these setups because they use a "layer selection" to apply them thru as opposed to trying to have a main composition control??? <--- Epiphany lol ;)

alfaleader
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Post by alfaleader »

I couldn't get the "track selection/navigation" part to work directly in resolume.

For the playback modes for each layer, you could do "view->show layer transport modes". You can map these things to midi.

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Post by PISMODRIFTER »

Has anyone ran an APC20 with a Launchpad?
Does the Bomes programming work the same on the Launchpad?
Will I run into a nightmare with the yokes and transmitter splitting and receiving from 2 units?

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH IN ADVANCE!!!

alfaleader
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Post by alfaleader »

Yes, bomes/midi yoke is a nightmare to work with.

You could better make your own program in processing. You can use my program as a start.
Learning programming is not lost time, many vjs also do some programming themselves.

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