Midi Out APC Lights

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kmifflin
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Midi Out APC Lights

Post by kmifflin »

I'd like to use my APC for banging thru a scripted awards show. I've scripted everything into Resolume so that during the show I just need to hit Column 1, ten Column 2, Column 3, etc. Thru out the evening.

The problem that I'm finding is that when I map a control button on the APC to a column the light flashed green and goes dark. What I'd prefer is that the button stays lit so I can see which cue/column I'm on and when I next button the previous button goes dark and the current button is now lit. If I was trigger clips the light on the APC work exactly this way. I've been try to come up with a solution to work around this and found that sometimes mapping the button to both a column and a blank slug loaded into a layer that is faded down will work. But then sometimes it doesn't after a closing resolume. I'm assuming that it depends on whither resolume seem the column or clip change first.

kmifflin
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by kmifflin »

I did manage to build a work around for this which involved editing the MIDI preference file. You just need to have the clip XML entries to be on the top of the Column XLM entries.

So now when I press a button it triggers a column and a place holder that is not show on the composition output (I'm using Solid Colour Generator (yes a u colour) crazy Canadian) and the light on on the APC is stays on.

Success...

Is it possible to have the midi mapping order this type of thing on the next release.

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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

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This is actually done intentionally, because we found out that people could get confused if a column was active, but clips from other columns were playing (which could happen if clips are triggered individually). So we made the column trigger a momentary event, and not a toggle that stays on. This is reflected in the interface as well.

This is unlikely to change, so for now I think you have found the best possible workaround.

kmifflin
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by kmifflin »

It does make sense to have the column triggers only be momentary. What I'd like to see is the clip trigger entries in the MIDI XML file to be written above the column trigger entries. Right now it seem random where the entries are written in the XML file.

deadsound
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by deadsound »

I have the exact same Issue... I use the Columns as "presets" so It is easy for me to get lost when the light goes out....I looked the .Midi XML files and did not see Columns listed.... Can you be more specific as to what or how you modified the Midi XML file?
I too really need the column light to stay on...
Thanks!

deadsound
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by deadsound »

Ah I got it... took some Thinking but I got it..

Thanks~!!

deadsound
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by deadsound »

at least I thought.. Eveytime I close and relaunch the app it goes back to no light on Column.. If anyone has any ideas how to edit the XML file please let me know..

thx

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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

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So editing your xml file is something I don't know much about, but the chances of crashing may increase. I use a program called Bome's to sort these things out. When i used a apc 20, I would give the buttons different midi layers with its own color(3 layers, green,red,orange). When a clip was triggered it would make the button flash.

Bome's is an excellent way for power users to add all sorts of functionality without messing with resolume's guts. The other day I wanted a piano key that would snap in, but long fade out a custom amount of time for each clip. So I programmed each button to snap the piano clip layer fade to 0, wait 1millisecond then trigger the clip, set the layer fade back up to a custom value depending on the clip, then kill the layer after a custom amount of time for each clip.

Since resolume has a damn solid midi system, I feel more comfortable sending lots of midi signals at it then messing with the xml. Stability is still my number 1 so i prefer a midi translator tweaking resolume the way I want it, not me tweaking the xml.

kmifflin
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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

Post by kmifflin »

It was a while ago that I had to do this, but basically I found resolume does not order the entries in the XML file. and either entries at the top or the bottom of the XML file take precedence when it comes to the lights on the APC.

How I solved this was to create a Midi map in resolume of only the column triggers. Then save and close resolume. I then renamed the XML file Columns. Opened resolume which should then create a new Midi Preference file and Created a midi map of only the clips, saved and closed Resolume, renamed the midi preference file clips, and then open resolume to create a third midi preference file that had only mapped controls like cross over and opacity. Saved and closed resolume and renamed the file controls. Then I created a master Midi Preference file with a text editor that and I copied the chunks of code from the 3 files into the master files. Placing the chunks in different orders gave resolume a different priorities to the lights on the APC.

I hope this helps and I realize that I've left or skipped over somethings assuming you know the basic concepts.

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Re: Midi Out APC Lights

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I would be very interested in the resolume guys commenting on potential stability with something like this. If it unoffically in theory doesn't cause stability issues because its just a markup language, that would be great!

I think the key point is our priorities. I'm all about stability at the expense of slick solutions(And you have found a mighy awesome work around!), which makes me hesitant to test this right in the middle of festival season. Will certainly be keeping an eye on this thread. Great work!

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