Very basic A/V question

[Videoteque73]

Hi! Bear some patience, this is a 101 question.

I am starting to collaborate with a musician. We want to make an A/V act. As a VJ I always used long loops and I never needed to be beat synced. But in this act I want videos to have sound content. So the first question that came to my mind is how do you solve the problem that music is sequenced in a daw, where if I program a kick drum on the first beat of the first bar, the kick sound triggers just there. But if I want to show a beater beating a kick drum, I don't want the clip to start with the beater on head, I want some frames before, the beater arriving, hitting and then releasing the head.

So videos should be triggered before. And I think the quantity of time before, must be always the same?? Thanks to anyone who explain how do you solve this!

Edit: This is all focused on a live situation, where I have Resolume in a laptop and my friend is using his daw (probably Live or Logic)

[Oaktown]

This is not a very basic A/V question

With a live set where you never know when the drum kick comes in, it's going to be very difficult to have a clip that shows the beater hitting the kick drum to match the sound. That would require a "Miss Irma" effect that can predict the future.

With a DAW, you could program a sequence with a a pre-roll MIDI/OSC trigger that can trigger the video cue before the drum kick occurs.

Also, as a note, Resolume 6 has Ableton LINK which will make it easier to sync your visuals to your friends composition. Take a look at this article & video:

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[Videoteque73]

I know it's not an easy question, for some reason I thought there was a standard solution for it. I am not english mothertongue, I don't even know how to work it properly to search Google.

Thanks a lot Frédéric!

Let's hope someone else tells us how they solved it!

[Joris]

If you're playing the clip multiple times, the solution would be to re-edit your loop so it starts exactly on the hit, and the 'attack' is at the end of the loop. Obviously you would miss it on the first drop, but it would be in sync on the following plays.

If you're going with one-shots, there's no other way than to program the pre-roll in Ableton.

[Arvol]

To keep it simple, I would agree that Ableton is going to be your friend.

If you want to complicate it with a lot of setup and fine tuning on your end, you could trigger the kick (Ilike the 2box stuff myself as a drumtech). the with Res6's envelope's you could create a 1 sec clip that is set to pause and use the kick trigger to control the playback of the clip.
You will be playing with Red6's envelope, and speed. And the Xtalk and Ghostnotes on the trigger's controller for an hour or so. Live ambient noises, and the drummer hitting the rack tom's (if they're attached to the kick drum) is going to be your biggest pain (avoiding random note hits on the kick, when he/she doesn't actually hit the kick drum)

If you want to keep it simple and fool proof (mostly) Ableton is the way to go. If you want something true and custom (if your drummer mixes it up from show to show) the triggers are a good solution, but takes a lot of fine tuning.

[Videoteque73]

The kick was just a concept, I am not interested in triggering real kick drums, we are working to be an electronic A/V duo. I will do visuals, audio mix&effects, he will play/trigger the music, work the synth knobs.

Imagine I add a punch sound to this clip when the glove hits the face: https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip ... -face.html

If I trigger the clip at the same time as a kick, you hear the kick instantly, but the punch will come later because the glove must arrive to the face.

Maybe I have to prepare all clips with the same pre-roll, let's say, 10 frames, so I can have a consistent pre-roll time to . And probably have longer clips as Joris said.

It will be a work in progress, I will try to update this thread with any findings.

Thanks to all!

[Arvol]

Joris know's a thing or two about things, other than coffee
I would go that route.