FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Film35HD wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 13:42 Thank you again Zoltan – you've helped me twice now. I owe you a beer or lunch.
No beer for me, thanks ;)
What are the chances that I could pay you to make a modification or patch (which you could also release to others) where a timecode could be punched-in, <ENTER> pressed on the numeric keyboard, and then *ALL* clips CUE to that point? And again, I would rather enter a timecode in HH:MM:SS than the Resolume xx:xx:xxx if at all possible.

Can this be done by May 31st?
Most likely not, but I made a ticket for our features bucket. to be able to sync clips transports together internally to a master clip.

The issue with coming up with a workaround is that everything is normalized in Resolume. That means a clip transport position is a float form 0-1. So to be able to punch in a time code in another app for AV clips, the other app would need to know the clip duration.

A workaround could be using a DAW to play a SMPTE track to Resolume, and the audio of your clips on separate tracks.
Then you could just jump around in the DAW timeline at will, though it's probably not very simple to set up live either.

The layer scrubbing works fine in v6, so if it's an option for you to revert back to Resolume 6, we might be able to help you out. Just drop us a mail to mail@resolume.com
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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Thank you.

That seems more trouble than it's worth. I would use the other program I gave you the link on, Pro Video Server, but they want $1500 per channel (layers), so to do 4 channels would be $6,000 (Pro Video Server).

Yet, a more complicated program they make (Pro Video Player) for churches and their video displays is only a few hundred dollars, so I don't get their logic.

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Yeah, as I said, if you don't need the v7 features, and v6 would work for you with the layer scrubbing, hit us up via mail with your serial number, and we should be able to help you out.
For free. ;)
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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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I think we have a misunderstanding – I would prefer NOT to 'layer scrub,' but would rather enter a cue point time number.

I will look at Version 6 and try it, though – as long as it moved ALL clips in ALL layers in sync – it could be the next best solution.

Thank you, Zoltan!

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Okay, Zoltan (and other Resolume experts) – Forgive me, but I am new to this program and type of workflow.

I am on Version 6 as you recommended. Loaded 4 music videos in Column 1 – all the same song but different camera angles. I move the transport to far left (beginning of the clip) and in the Composition hit "Play." Just like in Version 7, all plays in SYNC, perfectly.

Now say I get interrupted - the speaker asks me to stop and show the audience a different section. I can't type in just ONE timecode or cue point – I would have to do that in the CLIP window 4 times over and over again. That may take 30 seconds.

AGAIN: The goal is to, within <5 seconds, CUE a different point of the song, have ALL clips in Columns 1~4 SYNC to that cue point, and hit PLAY in composition just like I did at the very beginning, and have ALL clips IN SYNC continue from that point to the end.

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Zoltan says I can't do that – I would have to enter the numbers of cue 4x (or if I have 8 layers, 8 times). By then the audience will be "BOO-ing" me off stage.

So now, I am on Version 6 to try and SCRUB the transport to a cue point, but unless there is a menu/preferences to LOCK ALL CLIP LAYERS to the FIRST LAYER, this is not working. Layers 2, 3, 4 do NOT follow Layer 1.

What am I doing wrong, or is it that this program WILL NOT do this at all? Why can't it be modified to add this feature? It is very simple to code that "LOCK IN STEP" and assign all layers to follow the transport/cue/scrub/time code of the 'master layer.'

As you see below (Version 6), I have slid LAYER 1 backwards to a different cue. Layers 2, 3 & 4 did not move from where the program was stopped. So hitting PLAY has them all out of sync now:
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I can make a short video on how the other program does it in the next couple of days. It is so simple a task.

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Zoltán wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 15:13
Film35HD wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 13:42 Thank you again Zoltan – you've helped me twice now. I owe you a beer or lunch.
No beer for me, thanks ;)
What are the chances that I could pay you to make a modification or patch (which you could also release to others) where a timecode could be punched-in, <ENTER> pressed on the numeric keyboard, and then *ALL* clips CUE to that point? And again, I would rather enter a timecode in HH:MM:SS than the Resolume xx:xx:xxx if at all possible.

Can this be done by May 31st?
Most likely not, but I made a ticket for our features bucket. to be able to sync clips transports together internally to a master clip.

The issue with coming up with a workaround is that everything is normalized in Resolume. That means a clip transport position is a float form 0-1. So to be able to punch in a time code in another app for AV clips, the other app would need to know the clip duration.

----> I don't want "another" app – I want to do this IN ARENA. The time numbers are so non-human friendly (e.g. 14728.91). I believe Resolume is counting frames or beats. If I know I want to go to 11minutes, 22 seconds, I should be able to enter 11;22;xx – don't need the leading 2-digits for HOURS unless I am past the 1 hour mark (1;11;22;xx).


A workaround could be using a DAW to play a SMPTE track to Resolume, and the audio of your clips on separate tracks.

-----> This is more trouble than it's worth. It would be great for Resolume to do this INTERNALLY, BY ITSELF – no external controls (make it a possibility, but not necessary for a DAW, external controller, etc).


Then you could just jump around in the DAW timeline at will, though it's probably not very simple to set up live either.

The layer scrubbing works fine in v6, so if it's an option for you to revert back to Resolume 6, we might be able to help you out. Just drop us a mail to mail@resolume.com
-------> See my last reply – I think we are misunderstanding. Layer scrubbing works FINE in Ver 7, but I installed Ver 6 to try your suggestion. The problem IS NOT THE SCRUBBING. The goal is to scrub ONE LAYER and have ALL OTHER LAYERS FOLLOW in sync so hitting PLAY has the same CUE point.

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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THINK OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO LIKE THIS:
Multiple angles, all IN SYNC, WOULD BE loaded as separate LAYERS, so these (9) camera raw footage files would be (9) Resolume LAYERS:
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STOP Resolume from Playing the Composition's (9) clips. Scrub or enter a timecode to jump to:
10:41:00:00

ALL (9) CLIPS go to that new CUE POINT.
HIT PLAY. ALL ARE IN PERFECT FRAME-ACCURATE SYNC TO LAYER (1).

All done in LESS than 5-seconds.

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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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As I said entering a timecode one time to set n layers at the same time probably won't happen in the near future, natively in Resolume.
You might be able to create or find a third party solution for it.

Have a look at this video on the scrubbing setup with keyboard shortcuts, and how it behaves with 3 layers.
Layers are cropped to thirds of the output.
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Edit: I just remembered I made this tool that could help http://palffyzoltan.hu/index.php?url=pr ... letimeline it does the same, scrubs 30 layers with a long slider.
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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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I want to try your patch, went to your website to register.

I don't click "I am a business." But it won't accept the registration and the error message IN RED asks me to select "I am a business." So I check that and it asks me for a European VAT number. I don't have that as I am in Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.

Now what?
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Re: FAST CUE of Multiple Clips in exact sync

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Okay Zoltan – You must like to torture me, huh? LOL. I must be on a hidden-camera TV show that in your country, you are all just laughing.

I can't find your program "Multilayer Sync Scrub" ANYWHERE on your page that you link to. Did you rename it to: "CLICKABLE TIMELINE FOR RESOLUME?" – Is this the same as "Multilayer Sync Scrub?"
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The next question is see my previous Post in reply to you. I entered a dummy number "0" zero for the VAT, which does not apply to me because there was NO WAY to get out of an endless loop if I didn't check: "I am a business."

So frustrating! :(

I won't buy anything until you confirm that:
(a) Clickable Timeline for Resolume is the same as "Multilayer Sync Scrub" which you want me to use. I saw the YouTube video link you sent and that would help a lot – although I would still want the programmers to work on the feature request!

(b) To buy the program, am I going to have any issues with PayPal with a VAT number of "0" zero?


Thank you, I think.
LOL.

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